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Even while people are getting snap and healthcare these companies should be left to fail
No you see in capitalism, the entire system is perfect and must not be interfered with in any way, except that companies are delicate, precious things that must be saved at the expense of all else.
When the bubble bursts there won’t be enough money to bail them out.
Basically it is what Ayn Rand and Thatcher said that ‘problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people’s money’. Under socialism this doesnt happen due to how cheap most social programs actually compared to corporate bailouts… where you absolutely CAN run out of other people’s money.
Hell a lot of the social programs being slashed and burned actually saved us all money. CDC used to be measured in terms of "for every 9¢ spent, we can save $1 in costs, plus all the associated suffering, really just a bonus on our incredibly good return. Now, the CDC is promoting miasma theory. Look for next year’s flu shots to be a bag of herbs you wear around your neck.
You know what your problem is? You are using logic and rationality and simple math (I learned accounting in college).
The problem is, they dont care. The whole point is that they want control and them to be miserable. Even if you provided irrefutable proof of it, they will spend ten times more on repression than the pittance that is needed to end world hunger and poverty. It is about them feeling they are ‘better’ than their underlings through being a bully than actually solving problems.
Spoiler alert: they will literally take food from the hands of a starving child and give it to Altman, Zuckerberg and Musk.
They already did it. They will do it again.
Fuck no we shouldn’t. This is their fucking fault!
None of us wanted this! They’ve been shoving it down our throats for months, cutting budgets, and redirecting it to AI, all while smugly reminding us that “this is the future, they’re the experts, and any oppositions to what they’re doing in 2025 would be like opposing the internet circa 1996.”
This is the fucking result of allowing the “technocratic elite” to come in and tell countless departments and agencies full of “educated bureaucrats” to just sit back, shut up, and watch how it’s done.
The AI bubble is the fucking Dunning Kruger effect in action. Just because some pompous dumbass buys a bunch of planes, and thinks that makes him an expert on planes, and he is then able to convince a bunch of other stupid people he should be allowed to fly a plane, it doesn’t mean he actually knows how to fly the fucking plane.
We already made the mistake of allowing him to take over for the pilot and he immediately crashed our plane. Does rewarding him for crashing our plane, and telling him to just brush himself off and hop back in the captain’s chair seem like the brightest fucking idea?! 💡
But, muh share prices
-Rich assholes
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When did the public’s opinion matter to the government?
Well, eventually the government needs the public to implement policy. For all the talk of the miracles of AI, you can’t just shout orders at ChatGPT from the Oval Office and have them become real by magic.
The problem at hand is that some people have rejected these ultra-wealthy racist buffoons in their quest to automate every white collar job. Other people are hopping on the ICE gravy train or getting their beaks wet on the ballooning crypto/tech secondary markets or otherwise profiteering off the back end of the conservative criminal enterprise. And these are the folks with all the institutional authority, the administrative offices, and the loyal trained footsoldiers carrying around the guns.
Cops seem to get along with AI devices just fine. It does the unfun parts of their jobs for them and offers more free time to go around town in a monster truck, ramming people, roughing them up, and filing them into concentration camps. As more and more of the US labor force is told “The only viable path to the middle class is through the police”, you’re going to see Americans prodded into the police state (or its many subsidiaries and offshoots) as a matter of economic necessity.
Eventually, if its a choice between being on the inside of the fence or the outside of the fence, who wouldn’t pick being Winston Smith over some homeless peer who gets beaten to death on the street?
100% correct, but the Americans will eat the shit bailout (corporate socialism) sandwich…again.
how does bailing out corporations ensure the workers own the means of production? stop using bastardized definitions you were taught in conservative schools
Without any choice in the matter as always.
Obama gave a colossal welfare check to corporations in his first term and the right hated it.
Trump does it in both terms and they applaud it with tears in their eyes and cum in their pants.
Republicans should hardly be considered human beings at this point.
At this point? I’d go back way farther. Probably whenever the remnants of the Dixiecrats moved into their ranks.
Obama gave a colossal welfare check to corporations in his first term and the right hated it.
Trump does it in both terms and they applaud it with tears in their eyes and cum in their pants.
This is starting to sound like what would happen in the early meetings of the Estates General just before the French had their Revolution
Time to bring back this classic.
…But they probably will anyway, right?
Damn dude, what’s it gonna take for Americans to cut their losses and actually revolt? Painful to watch at this point.
9 missed meals is the answer you are looking for. People still have something to lose, so they we continue to go to work.
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realistically…murdochs propaganda arm needs chopped off, that’s the biggest reason for this shift over the last 30+ years.
What, in your mind, does said revolt look like?
…so when we ‘hire’ politicians, they are supposed to work in our best inerest, only a few representatives seem to do this and they are all Democrats…
they are all Democrats…
More accurately, Social Democrats and other progressives. Establishment Democrats are corporate-owned bootlickers that act against their constituents’ interests in favor of their donors, much like Republicans but without the blatant -isms and -phobias.
…i agree whole-heartedly…the people who should be in charge don’t want to be and the people who want to be in charge shouldn’t…
It’s W.B. Yeats’ Second Coming all over again.
I disagree with this statement.
the people who should be in charge don’t want to be
What? That is utter nonsense.
It’s not. Power attracts people who want to abuse it. The people most suited for being an actual good leader, aren’t seeking it out.
I think that’s overly simplistic. Power does attract people who want to abuse it, but it also attracts people who want to change their world for the better.
The latter group view power more as a weighty responsibility than a privilege, but the power still exists.
Although that latter group is also more likely to spread their power around, thus reducing the opportunities for abuse by the former group, and… I kind of see your point. But I view it a bit more systemically.
Many politicians have stated that they got into the game to make a difference but all the back room deals, concessions and quid pro quo needed to get into a position of power meant they had their hands tied once they were in power.
I think a lot of the people who want to make a difference look at the quagmire that is modern politics and decide they can do more from elsewhere in the community. People who are willing to wade into that tar pit and aren’t interested in the power or the extra money that can be made on the side are few and far between.
You ae bad at reading.
No.
There are countless people worthy of such positions and they fight every day to get in.
To say they don’t want to is to frame it as the left is lazy, when the reality is that the leftists are fucked over by the capitalists.
Social democrats isn’t a party (at least, not one they’re members of). It’s an idiology. They are elected as members of the Democratic party. You’re right, but I’m just pointing out that they are Democrats, along with being social democrats (no capital letters), progressives, or whatever else.
Every Dem candidate is pretty close to Jimmy Carter on the issues.
The GOP keeps moving further to the Right.
Letting the GOP win anything doesn’t do anyone any good, ever.
Democrats on the left of their party.
Quick recap of the political landscape for the past few decades
- The right will make the world worse for everyone except about 100 people
- The center will try to keep it the same, and often make it worse in general as the status quo has been built by the right
- The left will actually try to make it better, but sometimes fail
This has always been the choice since Thatcher/Reagan and the right had their last ever economic idea in neoliberalism.
A few more decades of majority centre/right wing rule and 99.99% of us will have nothing and that 100 will have it all. They know this and that’s why they fund racists to paint an alternative reason everything is going to shit. They can happily carry on with their accumulation of everything and hopefully enough people won’t realise before it’s too late to do anything.
The few left wing voices you can hear are your only voices that have managed to resist being bought.
(Oh important reminder, don’t let a politician tell you what their political alignment is, look at how they vote and behave. The further right you go the more often you’ll get an untrue response to the question)
The right will make the world worse for everyone except about 100 people
I mean, your eventuality of about 100 people owning it all is correct, but for now there’s at least a few thousand that the right is making money for.
The rich don’t like her already anyway
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Unfortunately the government will not listen. Whatever government is in power will do the same as the sub-prime debacle. They will bail out those that (intentionally?) caused it. Money will shift to shareholders and the top 0.5%, large swaths of stocks & property will be bought up cheap by the already wealthy, and the remaining 99.5% of the population will pay for it. The whole businesses need to profit in good times to make it through low times has been replaced with corporations are to be subsidized by the working class no matter what. SNAP is a subsidy to large corporations who can then ignore supply and demand of workers at poverty wages because tax payers make up the supports needed. Americans will go along with their standard of living continuing to decline because “American exceptionalism”. After a long career in politics, always saying the right thing but never able to affect real change, AOC will take over the crown from Bernie Saunders.
But they’ll go ahead and do it anyway while she “SLAMS”, them publicly.
It’s like these slams don’t even mean anything anymore
If the common person was literate and picked up a thesaurus once in a while, maybe headlines would have a larger vocabulary. 🤷♂️
AOC got props from me after calling AWS’s bullshit. They still built in NY without the city’s funds.
But of course they will bail them out… there is a 0% chance they won’t be bailed out
In some countries, people make a big enough stink to actually send people to jail rather than write them a cheque.
It can happen.
but that’s not the Murica way
It could be! You were once the great hope for democracy and working people everywhere, until you were captured and contained by the aristocracy. You could be that hope again.
hmmm that was mostly the successful years of the PR campaign from Murica…
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If they don’t bail them out then think of all the jobs that will be lost when AI comes to fruition – I mean the jobs that will be lost if they don’t get their government money.
Exactly. AOC can talk all she wants but Democrats Always Chicken Out.
DACO
LOL. 9 downvotes…how did that lockdown work out?
AOC not seeing the covid 19 travesty and the government proving this isnt capitalism but communism for the rich
I’m not sure I wrap my head around what you mean
You know how many companies shouldve died during covid 19 if this was real capitalism? Government bailouts is the antithesis to true capitalism
ah ok yes
communism isn’t just when the government does stuff. you’re describing textbook capitalism here. the transatlantic slave trade was state subsidized human trafficking using the first form of capital, Black people. we can’t “no true Scotsman” our way out of capitalist economic disasters
Man the tip of the iceberg, you go deep down enough and its not even capitalism but socialism for capitalists which makes jobs an invitation to participate in their economy which is literally communism for capitalists.
sure, and the earth is flat because that hurts my feefees less. man, stfu
The majority of people aren’t intelligent enough so I don’t expect anybody on the internet to get how fucked they are systematically.
They had record profits before the AI nonsense. Let them fail.
That’s TERRORISM According to NSPM-7!
What’s that
It labels anyone who displays “anti-American, anti-capitalist, and anti-Christian” sentiments, as potential terrorists.
I’d argue that bailouts are anti-capitalists. but capitalism and corruption are the same thing
Anti-capitalism-in-theory, but pro capitalism-in-practice.
That’s specifically crony capitalism. Which is a bastardization if the system where the government is picking favorites, usually through bribery, so really corporations using the government to give themselves an advantage over their competition.
It’s explicitly not free market
Pretty much what I said. Capitalism in practice.
Capitalism puts the power over production in the hands of capital (by definition). So over time, wealth and political clout grow, and they start using that to bend government to their will. It’s not a bastardization, it’s 100% of the historical examples. A free market would require highly distributed power, not concentrated.
the problem with “free market” is they they can’t exist. as it gives power to those who gain from corrupting the system. it will always deteriorate to crony capitalism as soon as free markets exists.
