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    Implying the orange fella has any say in programming language design and general tech conventions

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    • Push directly to master, not main
    • No command line args, just change the global const and recompile
    • No env vars either
    • Port numbers only go up to 5280, the number of feet in a mile
    • All auth is just a password; tokens are minority developers, not auth, and usernames are identity politics
    • No hashes – it’s the gateway drug to fentanyl
    • No imports. INTERNAL DEVELOPERS FIRST
    • Exceptions are now illegal and therefore won’t occur, so no need to check for them
    • SOAP/XML APIs only
    • No support for external machines. If it’s good enough for my machine, it’s good enough for yours.
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      • Port numbers only go up to 5280, the number of feet in a mile

      What about internationalization – do the European port numbers go up to the cm or only meter count within a kilometer?

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      Exceptions are now illegal and therefore won’t occur, so no need to check for them

      Ah, I see you’ve met C++ developers.

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      No command line args, just change the global const and recompile

      Nah, don’t use global variables, magic values everywhere. And don’t use const whatsoever, we need to move fast and break things, we can’t let something immutable stop us

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        Sadly? Master branch never implied the existence of a slave branch. It was one of the dumbest pieces of woke incursion into tech.

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          It was kind of pointless, but at least it made software work with custom default branches.

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          Yes exactly. It’s a reference to the recording industry’s practice of calling the final version of an album the “master” which gets sent for duplication.

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            In alignment with this, we should not replace the master branch with the main branch, we should replace it with the gold branch.

            Every time a PR gets approval and it’s time to merge, I could declare that the code has “gone gold” and I am not doing that right now!

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              Merged -> gone gold

              Deployed -> gone platinum

              Gone a week without crashing production -> triple platinum

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          But why even? There’s no risk to changing it and some risk to keeping it. That’s the reason for the push to change it. Keeping something just because it’s tradition isn’t a good idea outside ceremonies.

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            I don’t accept that because everyone’s doing it or “group-think” are valid excuses do jump on a trend. Things like this maybe don’t seem like a big deal for you but for those that hate this culture it’s just one more example of a dumb change being shoved down their throats. This could also be the straw that breaks the camels back.

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            There is definitely a risk in changing it. Many automation systems that assume there is a master branch needed to be changed. Something that’s trivial yes but changing a perfectly running system is always a potential risk.

            Also stuff like tutorials and documentation become outdated.

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          Yeah agreed. Just another piece of white devs acting like they knew better for everyone.

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    Error handling should only be with “if”

    Variable names must be generic and similar to each-other

    Debugging is only done with prints

    Version numbers must be incoherent, hard to order correctly, contain letters and jump in ways that don’t align with the updates done.

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        Hey now, you know that according to the Bible the biggest number is a million. Anything larger than that including infinity is some of that “woke shit”.

        Your array will be 999,999, 999,998, 999,997 …

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          In Lua all arrays are just dictionaries with integer keys, a[0] will work just fine. It’s just that all built-in functions will expect arrays that start with index 1.

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            That’s slightly misleading, I think. There are no arrays in Lua, every Lua data structure is a table (sometimes pretending to be something else) and you can have anything as a key as long as it’s not nil. There’s also no integers, Lua only has a single number type which is floating point. This is perfectly valid:

            local tbl = {}
            local f = function() error(":(") end
            
            tbl[tbl] = tbl
            tbl[f] = tbl
            tbl["tbl"] = tbl
            
            print(tbl)
            -- table: 0x557a907f0f40
            print(tbl[tbl], tbl[f], tbl["tbl"])
            -- table: 0x557a907f0f40	table: 0x557a907f0f40	table: 0x557a907f0f40
            
            for key,value in pairs(tbl) do
              print(key, "=", value)
            end
            -- tbl	=	table: 0x557a907f0f40
            -- function: 0x557a907edff0	=	table: 0x557a907f0f40
            -- table: 0x557a907f0f40	=	table: 0x557a907f0f40
            
            print(type(1), type(-0.5), type(math.pi), type(math.maxinteger))
            -- number	number	number	number
            
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            PHP did that same thing. It was a big problem when algorithmic complexity attacks were discovered. It took PHP years to integrate an effective solution that didn’t break everything.

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              Lua - Portuguese feminine noun for “moon”, coming from the Latin “luna”
              Luna - Latin, feminine noun (coincidentally identical to the Italian noun, also feminine)

              Yup, Lua is a girl.

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        Writing Lua code that also interacts with C code that uses 0 indexing is an awful experience. Annoys me to this day even though haven’t used it for 2 years

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      Visual Basic used to let you choose if you wanted to start arrays at 0 or 1. It was an app-wide setting, so that was fun.

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          It’s how I got into programming, so I’ll always have a soft spot for it. Now it’s over 20 years later and I’m still coding.

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            Apple Basic (on an Apple IIe) was my first language that I recall.

            Didn’t have a computer powerful enough for VB until later. It does have a special place in my nostalgia zone but has also led so many astray.

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      How is arrays starting at 1 still a controversial take. Arrays should start at 1 and offsets at 0.

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          Not in languages where you don’t manually handle memory, such as PHP, SQL, Python… Higher-level languages using 0-indexed arrays are letting the abstraction leak.

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        So what’s 0 do then? I’m okay with wacky indexes (I’ve used something with negative indexes for a end-index shorthand) but 0 has to mean something that’s actually useful. Using the index as the offset into the array seems to be the most useful way to index them.

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    Arrays not starting at 1 bother me. I think the entrenched 0-based index is more important than any major push to use 1 instead, but if I could go back in time and change it I would.

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      It really doesn’t make sense to start at 1 as the value is really the distance from the start and would screw up other parts of indexing and counters.

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        It doesn’t make sense that the fourth element is element number 3 either.

        Ultimately it’s just about you being used to it.

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        Yeah, but if we went back and time and changed it then there wouldn’t be other stuff relying on it being 0-based.

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          It was not randomly decided. Even before arrays as a language concept existed, you would just store objects in continuous memory.

          To access you would do $addr+0, $addr+1 etc. The index had to be zero-based or you would simply waste the first address.

          Then in languages like C that just got a little bit of syntactic sugar where the ‘[]’ operator is a shorthand for that offset. An array is still just a memory address (i.e. a pointer).

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            I know. But in the alternate reality where we’d been using 1-based indices forever you’d be telling me how useful it is that the first element is “1” instead of zero and I’d be saying there are some benefits to using zero based index because it’s more like an offset than an index.

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      this is what messed me up with ZSH for a bit, having a shell default to 1 instead of 0 was weird

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    NGL, this kind of form of putting the decisions the monkey-in-charge is making in a way experts in a field will understand, is a very good way to showcase the absurdity.

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      Are there really people capable of understanding this who aren’t capable of understanding, for example, “tariffs increase inflation”?