• OpenStars@piefed.social
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    10 days ago

    People like looking at photos of food and cats more than being railed for having "incorrect* political viewpoints? (/s for anyone not picking up on that btw:-P)

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      10 days ago

      I literally just got called a snowflake in another thread for saying people should stop posting US politics in general communities. People still wonder why Lemmy has a bad reputation even in the entire Fediverse… Sometimes I wonder why I still bother here.

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        I guess I am a snowflake too then, bc to me consent should matter. And while the USA is a part of the world, and also has an oversized effect upon it due to the size of the economy and trade deals and the like, it also can be overwhelming for some, who feel ostracized and left out as if only the big guys (and guns) matter.

        But on the other hand, it is known that moderation sucks across the vast majority of Lemmy - it’s somewhat baked right into the tools themselves, e.g. removing whole posts rather than merely taking them out of the community lists but allowing people to continue their discussions already begun, as Reddit does.

        So you may want to take it upon yourself to either start blocking by keywords (maybe find an app that allows that - I’m not sure which ones), or user accounts that do that, or even find a better community to engage with.

        Though I agree with your conclusion: I no longer recommend Lemmy to people irl by virtue of having been burned by that far too many times before. We’re toxic AF in this Alt-Left (rather than Alt-Right) “Nazi bar” space, and a lot of the people here are legit those banned from Reddit for exactly that behavior.

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          moderation sucks across the vast majority of Lemmy

          Moderation isn’t ideal, but absent moderators aren’t going to moderate even with the best tools

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            I mean, PieFed has some really cool thoughts about doing exactly that… I’m hoping for a lot there.

            As it is, Lemmy is simply a more authoritarian version of Reddit - at the low level I mean, next to the users, who e.g. have no modmail recourse to discuss anything, nor even receive a notification that their content has been removed. Even while it is also open source so allows instance admins greater freedom to implement whatever policies they choose - disabling downvotes for example.

            Anyway the more the technology can do the less reliance upon human efforts to moderate. e.g. to facilitate automated community discovery, so that there is lowered barriers to getting away from bad moderators.

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              PieFed is highly promising, but I wish you didn’t feel the need to go overboard with criticizing Lemmy. Calling Lemmy a more authoritarian version of reddit… that’s a pretty wild take.

              That’s like calling tribal societies more authoritarian than Stalinist or fascist states. There’s no such thing as low-level authoritarianism, that doesn’t make any sense. The users can message the mods directly, and they can go as they wish and do as they please. It’s like calling the nuclear family unit authoritarian, it becomes a nonsensical concept when applied to human-scale social organization. It refers to large scale social units such as nations and political parties, not small groups of freely associated individuals like Lemmy.

              You’re still stuck in the reddit mindset where there isn’t anywhere else to go, everything is contained in one closed box controlled by spez. On Lemmy you can go and build your own box, and there are already dozens to choose from that are free and open to join.

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                How would the users message mods directly when the modlog just says “mod”? They could message each one directly, or mass spam all at once, but in general the tools are highly biased to protect mods rather than grant power to the content creators.

                On Reddit - which I haven’t used since practically the Rexodus so am definitely not shilling for it here - after a post is removed, people can still continue to discuss things in it. So if I typed a long reply to someone it would still make its way to them. Here, it’s just poof gone, and a whole long response, possibly not even to OP but to someone else, I can’t even send it anymore. All of those discussions that the OP spawned - they are all just gone. Nor can I look them up later if I have the URL - the entire post is gone, not simply removed from the community listing of posts but taken away from the community entirely, all of the work put in, by The People, removed from them by a possibly capricious mod. With no recourse to do much of anything except complain.

                I already mentioned how the admins have more freedom yes, so I am talking here strictly below that level, the interactions between mods and content creators.

                Remember the context of this thread is me responding to “People still wonder why Lemmy has a bad reputation even in the entire Fediverse…” So my purpose is not to whinge but to discuss practical solutions to improving that reputation. Putting the power back into the hands of The People rather than mods would go a LONG way. Like, even just sending a notification upon removal of a post or comment - there is much that Reddit does that if we did, would help. Or perhaps we can find even better solutions, but not if we don’t even so much as try.

                Also, even if you did become your own instance admin, that does next to nothing for you if you still want to interact with people on other instances - it allows you to create your own communities on your own instance, but if you want to make comments on OTHER communities on OTHER instances, then everything that I said above still holds true - you still don’t get a notification if your content is removed, you still can’t continue conversations or even so much as view posts that have been removed, etc. Looking at the moderation practices of the Lemmy developers used on Lemmy.ml explains so much of why admins and mods have so much power, but the individual posters have so little. In some ways

                Reddit is more authoritian - at the top - but in other ways we are even more so here than there. We need to do better. I doubt that we will, but we should. Although we won’t unfortunately, which means that people will remain on Reddit. Especially the ones who already seem okay with spez - to them, there seems not much to entice them to come here, for an objectively worse experience, for someone who doesn’t want to put in the effort to learn how federation works much less to host their own instance? At which point we seem to me to be deluding ourselves - “People still wonder why Lemmy has a bad reputation even in the entire Fediverse…”, bc we are not honest about who and what we are. e.g. we may be Linux users and self-hosters, who nonetheless still have fewer rights in some ways than we did on Reddit. Which we were fine with bc the software is still being developed but… how long has it been since the Rexodus, and we have seen little improvements made in some of these areas? And in this particular area, actual negative progress made bc the modlog used to say the name of the account of who removed something, whereas now it just says “mod” - which would be fine if there were a modmail, but again, there isn’t.

                I am not counting negative progress as “progress”. And I am losing all hope for Lemmy to ever improve in these regards yes - in fact I no longer recommend it to anyone, ever, bc I’ve been burned far too often on that in the past. I do still hold out strong hopes for the Fediverse tools though - Mbin, PieFed, and possibly Sublinks all show much promise for the Threadiverse (or whatever name for forum-based Fediverse). One day far from now Lemmy will remain the tankie Threadiverse, and people won’t be dependent upon having to choose between just Reddit vs. it, bc there will finally be other options, and people will begin to be more free. And before you argue back: yes, it was thanks to Lemmy that got us here (or more to Kbin for me and so many others). But that is no reason to not seek to continue to improve by putting power into the hands of The People, even if Lemmy is not willing or even if it wants to head in the exact opposite direction.

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                  How would the users message mods directly when the modlog just says “mod”? They could message each one directly, or mass spam all at once, but in general the tools are highly biased to protect mods rather than grant power to the content creators.

                  Message one mod who seems active or all the mods at once if you lack patience. Message an admin if the mods don’t respond. It’s not rocket science.

                  On Reddit - which I haven’t used since practically the Rexodus so am definitely not shilling for it here - after a post is removed, people can still continue to discuss things in it. So[…] With no recourse to do much of anything except complain.

                  This is false. Any comment that you made in the thread still exists in your profile. I’m not sure why you’re lying about this.

                  It’s very apparent that you are despairing and miserable. Have you considered that your negativity and that of people like you is more responsible for the failure of this platform to grow than any of the minor complaints you continuously harp on? You’re either an absolute fool or a reddit shill to constantly be arguing that users on Lemmy have less rights than they do on reddit. That is complete and utter nonsense, users on reddit have ZERO rights. Z. E. R. O.

                  By all means, contribute on github or make some constructive suggestions for features, but to constantly harp on the lack of features for a platform with a small underpaid dev team is just extremely entitled and negative behavior, and helps absolutely no one. It creates a toxic climate on Lemmy for absolutely no reason.

                  Or go use all the great PieFed communities with their perfect moderators. Oh wait, they don’t exist. The only way for me to understand your constant, pointless attacks and trivial complaints against the only viable alternative to reddit right now is to conclude that you are in fact a reddit shill. Otherwise it doesn’t make any sense to me why you would be acting this way.

                  Lemmy isn’t perfect. Constantly bitching about it while contributing nothing isn’t making it any better.

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        Yeah, that’s definitely a shame. Let’s see how it goes, but I’m about to create a !usdefaultism somewhere just to list those occurrences

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        10 days ago

        I just got called a rapist! For asking wtf she was wearing, fashion wise. (On a non rape story just to be clear). I also wonder why I’m still here. Y’all need to be better.

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            The context of the post: 196 which is essentially a shit posting and take nothing serious community. Yeah that context. And that it was a straight question about what she was wearing, fashion wise since you really need to hear it. So thank you for demonstrating the exact problem!

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                Reaction? If you see a simple question in a shitposting community, with the image of a fashion choice that is unconventional, and think “Hmm should I interpret this as a question about fashion as he asked, or should I interpret this as he’s a rapist and trying to be clever about it”, if you default to thinking that the other person is obviously a rapist (as you seem to have, saying that I’m seeking plausible deniability and try to associate me with Musk and trying to be clever with rape lol), then holy fuck, and frankly that’s on you. That was your reaction. Like you have to really out there to default to “he’s obviously a rapist”. You need to be better.

                Honestly this is the perfect example of how Lemmy has a ravenous need to misinterpret. You just did it yourself.

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    9 days ago

    … which is absolutely understandable considering how lemmy is most of the time,

    it’s politics non-stop, one bad news after another, everyone is quick to bash somebody as either a nazi or a tankie or something else.

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    10 days ago

    When a fediverse app wins, the whole fediverse wins. A rising tide lifts all ships or however it goes.

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      10 days ago

      ikr lemmy has a little over 40k active users. If you look at the first data point just as the slope starts to rise, that’s where lemmy is by comparison:

      Total users is pretty meaningless bc it includes things like users who left and will never return, and bot accounts.

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      10 days ago

      Yes.

      -Instagram has pixelfed. -Reddit has lemmy -X has Mastodon/Misskey/Pleroma (&forks…) -Tiktok has loops (app still super rough around the edges and sadly on limited to one instance rather than having its own software from what i understand) -Youtube has peertube (so far the least used i think)

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        I dont understand how to join or post on peertube, its the most confusing, do you host your own, is there a feed of all the servers?

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          You just pick an instance and join it, sadly i don’t think it has enough federation yet so its entirely possible u just chose a bad instance and have amazing creators sitting on other instances yours isn’t federated with

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            10 days ago

            If you f up and join lemmy.dbzero you wont see any posts from lemmyworld users and the same issue if you join the other

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              That’s actually not true. Lemmy.world and lemmy.dbzer0.com are fully federated, you can see for yourself if you check the instances tab.

              The only thing that people incessantly complain about is that lemmy.world blocked one single community from dbzer0, the piracy community. For an account on lemmy.dbzer0, that has absolutely no effect. For an account on lemmy.world, that just means they need an alt if they want to participate in that one community. The two userbases can still fully interact all over lemmy, it’s just that lemmy.world decided to block the piracy community to cover their asses legally.

              Look, here’s https://lemmy.world/c/adhd@lemmy.dbzer0.com

              But people make such a big deal about that one blocked community that a lot of people get the idea that they are defederated or something. You’re not the first person I’ve had to correct about this, not even the first this week lol.

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    10 days ago

    One question, does LBRY (The protocol powering Odysee) count as something Federated ?