An ICE officer may ignore evidence of American citizenship—including a birth certificate—if the app says the person is an alien
Cool, so I guess that means I can ignore evidence of the person/people at the door being law enforcement before enforcing my 2nd Amendment rights and state self-defense laws that also allow me to shoot to protect others.
We should act on protecting our rights and then ask questions later.
Yup. If someone is abducting someone else and doesn’t self-identify, that sounds like an open and shut self-defense case, provided you survive the encounter.
Yeah you can, but you’ll probably get killed. If you’re willing to do that though, then at least make it worthwhile
ICE don’t even show their ID do they? They think real police only have warrants and show their ID for no reason. They smahter than all of history combined you know. /s
That depends on who you ask, but likely the courts would side with a citizen requesting ID. The policy seems to be that they must “when it is practical and safe to do so.”
AFAIK, this issue has not been tried in court though.
What is the odds that court is where you go?
There’s so many other outcomes I keep hearing about in your news, but I don’t know the odds.
In practice, pretty low! In the vast majority of cases, people are released within a few hours and not sent to one of the larger detention facilities. As much as the news sensationalizes the handful of cases where that doesn’t happen, the likelihood is still quite low that I wouldn’t get due process.
If I saw an ICE operation in my neighborhood, I wouldn’t be too worried about going up to them and demanding their name and badge number. I’m not going to be “disappeared” or anything like that, especially as a US citizen. The vast majority of those targeted are actually illegal immigrants, and the extras arrested are often obstructing justice in one way or another. If I approach it completely legally, I don’t think I’d be falsely accused of something else by those officers.
Don’t get me wrong, I am 100% against what ICE is doing. I think they’re being a bit too fast and loose with their information, such that they arrest or detain far too many people without actual cause, and those they do arrest with cause they mistreat. I’m not necessarily against illegal immigrants getting deported, but that should be handled with respect and restraint, at least until we get policy to get these good people on some form of temporary status. If someone currently has work here, there should be a really easy way to get that turned into a legal work visa.
Ok time for everyone to dress like ice agents then. Masks for all.
I’m not entirely sure, but modern cameras can see through fabric, so I’m afraid you’ll have to buy a mask made of special materials.
Is it illegal to have a facemask? People should start carrying around ski masks in their vehicles in case ICE approaches them. If they claim it’s illegal then why the fuck is ICE wearing them?
Because it is an authoritarian regime now, and not a state of law and order anymore.
It’s harder to racially profile a masked person or identify them in general.
If they can, they will. That’s the only rule you need to know about business and politics.
Knowing this is at the level of life and death.
Um, Americans also realize they’re ABDUCTING people without their consent too, right? And have been, for like months now?
Most of us are well aware of that. I live in a neighborhood with a pretty high Hispanic population. ICE was reported just a few blocks from my house on Thursday, zero trick-or-treaters on Friday. There are still a discouraging about of people saying they support Trump and what he’s doing on Nextdoor. I want to believe they’re bots.
Hopefully they just don’t kno a how bad things are on the ground. Everything looks fine when your head is buried in the sand.
Yup ice is in my neighborhood too, I’m trying to keep a look out and help anyone I can. I have a balaclava ski mask with prom night stitched into the forehead.
What is the point of comments like this? Yes, we realize this. Are you just hearing about it? Do we really have to face each new horror with admonishments that it is distracting us from the last horror?
It has been years(let us remember Obama), it is only just now that drumpf is in office they realize that people are getting literally disappeared.
So hypothetically, what if a bunch of protestors showed up with IC E shirts/pants/etc… without license plates and started to protest? How would they know who was who at that point?
It doesn’t even look that hard to do given how much memorabilia there is online.
Well, Halloween just happened, so there are probably convincing costumes available on discount. Just saying…
Time to start wearing face paint / face tattoos that fuck with facial recognition.
In their world, resisting surveillance will be probable cause for arrest, because you must have something to hide and need to be investigated.
It doesn’t matter. At this point resistance is a responsibility. They will lie and make shit up either way so challenge them while you still can.
But it’s my religious markings from my officially recognized religion/church.
Like that makes a difference when they pick you up in a unmarked Ford transit and drop you off at the
concentration campice detention facilityYeah but it’s not THEIR religion, so you still are suspicious…
is it Christian? no? straight to jail, terrorist.
Even worse
I don’t think anything like that would help. Especially over the last several years with the huge rise of things like Snapchat filters where people can take photos of themselves in various situations with various costumes, various themes. I’m sure all of that was data mined for someone’s purpose.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_vision_dazzle it’s been done before. AI facial recognition gets a little overhyped
A recent famous case that comes to mind is when some independent researchers found an ex-RAF terrorist on the run (or call her whatever your political inclination suits) via facial recognition of photos on social media of a capobeira club. I assume the reference material were some age old photos as she was on the run for decades.
I don’t know much about facial recognition but I only heard it works damn well and considering OS and phone manufacturers employing it and are confident enough to not have their users locked out or compromise security let’s me assume that it works damn well.
Is that why cyberpunk media always has people wearing face tats.
Sometimes it’s explicitly called out for that reason ya. Can’t say all the time though.
Remember kids, Juggalo makeup defeats facial recognition. Woop woop!
Everybody wear drag queen makeup!
I also hear beards still confuse the system so that’s nice
Alright, that’s it, I’m going full juggalo.
As they wear masks…
We can wear masks, too…for health reasons. I predict an increase in germaphobes.
Imagine if they actually try to ban medical face masks, not for some cockamamie pseudoscience reason, but because we don’t have the right to evade their facial recognition scheme?
At this point there is no voting your way back to normal anymore. As others have pointed out, the Democrats will ratchet their way further to the right in order to take office again, and the surveillance state will continue to expand under their authority (albeit somewhat less rapidly)
The lower classes must wake up to this reality and take meaningful steps to remove the ownership class from power once and for all. Holding signs and chanting in a public square during a weekend won’t be enough, the rich and powerful must be in fear of losing their wealth and their lives.
My area got flooded with Flock cameras during Biden’s last year. Both parties want the surveillance no question. But they also want to be in power. God I hate those cameras.
Imho surveillance state will grow even more rapidly with democrats, just not overtly. They will make a stronger big brother which the republicans will use to promote fascism.
Facial Recognition has always been racist this is nothing new in a broad sense.
There’s always been facial rec. In the old days, they recognized that “He looks black, that can’t be his car.”
Serious question, with all this surveillance, would it become a thing to always wear a full mask in public.
I know, feels weird to ask that post pandemic, but here we are.
We aren’t post pandemic. They just want you to think we are.
We are though. COVID-19 strains have become endemic, which is the step after pandemic if the disease is not eradicated. So it’s like the flu now.
There are clothing that messes with it but the issue you will find is that with no one wearing them it puts an even bigger target on you.
Convenient they did that with the masks too.
Well that was my point, what if dressing up with masks and glasses (similar to ICE) becomes a trend.
It surely isn’t illegal so if enough people do it regardless of political alignment, it could break their process.
A lot of cameras ID you by your eyes, so a medical mask wouldn’t really work. If you use a mask + something like Reflectacles, you’ll probably be okay.
Just disguise yourself as your favorite Buck Rogers character.
are you “there yet” America?
We’re working on it, apparently.
I consent
