Nora

Any way to watch this from Canada? He says it’s not available in my country.

It’s more than enough. You go there in person and try and kill one of those cows or chickens and watch them run away and then you tell me straight to my fucking face that they Don’t have a desire to live/ not die.

Yes it is.

Speciesism is not rational. I’m assuming you would not apply the same standards to a human that had the same intelligence as a chicken?

Say we had a person with the same intelligence of a chicken. Would it be okay to milk them and use them for their milk? Or to use any part of them for ourselves? To eat them?

There is evidence. Watch them scream as they die in any documentary. Watch them try to run away as they get corralled into the death cage.

https://watchdominion.org/

No, that is a speciesist take. We are not distinct in the ways that are most important. Among many similarities non-human animals feel pain and don’t want to die. Those are the most important ways that we are the same.

Do you think humans evolved in a vacuum? We share a lot of similarities in our brains with other types of animals that also have brains.

It is not dehumanizing. Here’s a quote to think on: “When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression”

Are you a fucking Psychopath? Do you not understand that people would get affected by murdering others every day, day after day? Seeing that shit affects people. Maybe not you, clearly.

Most people thought slavery was okay at a certain point in time… Just because most people think something doesn’t make it right.

exploitation is abuse. People are seeing these chickens as only a means to make eggs, instead of the individuals that they are.

You’re an animal too.

And yes, they are someones. They are sentient. Each individual has personality. Whether people acknowledge that or not does not make it not true.

Are they eating their eggs? That would be the only problem I could see with that situation. seeing them as something to be exploited for what they make, rather than as individuals.

Whenever I wonder if something is abusive, I just compare it to what it would be like if they were a human. If there was a human woman in your care with the same intelligence of a chicken, you wouldn’t think it was okay to milk them and drink their milk. That would be fucking weird.

Modern chickens were bred so that they produce so many eggs that they literally drain their bodies of calcium. It wears their bodies down. Seeing them as someone to be exploited and only as a means to produce eggs is what is abusive.

In order to keep them healthy, you have to give them either an implant that stops them from producing eggs or feed the eggs back to them so that they recover the calcium.

Plus, what happens when they get old and stop producing eggs? Then what do you do? Do you just keep them around? Or do you kill them and then eat them? Doing that would also be abusive.

Or you could go vegan and stop abusing other animals.