We’re talking about the need for a system to deal with major access of a main facebook/insta/twitter etc… to a majority of people.

IE of the scale that someone can go “Hey I bet my aunt that I haven’t talked to in 15 years might be on here, let me check”. Not a common occourance in a closed off discord community.

Also, noting that doesn’t fully solve the primary problem… of still being at the whims and controls of a single point of failure. of which if Discord Inc could at any point in time decide to spy on closed rooms, censor any content they dislike etc…

10th largest instance being like 10k users… we’re talking about the need for a solution to help pull the literal billions of users from mainstream social media

Concept is however that if a new instance is detatched from the old one… then it’s basically the same story of leaving myspace for facebook etc… we go through the long vetting process etc… over and over again, userbase fragments reaching critical mass is a challange every time. I mean yeah if we start with a circle of 10 trusted networks. One goes wrong it defederates, people migrate to one of the 9 or a new one gets brought into the circle. but actual vetting is a difficult process to go with, and makes growing very difficult.

Isn’t that basically the same result though…

Problem with tech oligarchy is it just takes one person to get corrupted and then he blocks out all opinion that attacks his goals.

So the solution is federation, free speech instances that everyone can say whatever they want no matter how unpopular.

How do we counteract the bots…

Well we need the instances to verify who gets in, and make sure the members aren’t bots or saying unpopular things. These instances will need to be big, and well funded.

How do we counter these instance owners getting bought out, corrupted (repeat loop).