Brazil has experience with dictatorship so they known how to deal with it. America is yet to have a fully fledged one. But speaking of which, the Brazilian dictatorship in the 1970-80’s was sponsored by the CIA. Manufactured dictatorship is coming home to roost.
they known how to deal with it
brazil takes steps in the right direction, but i would be lying if i say we have that all figured out.
a lot of the people trying to coup us now were pardoned from the last military regime, and some are currently holding positions in our government. lula swept the anniversary of the coup under the rug so to not even talk about it. we have not punished a lot of the military personnel involved in the attempt with no plans to, and they are still a political group articulating for (more) power.
You have a point. I guess Brazil got lucky that the judges who prosecuted Lula and the Worker’s Party turned out to be partial and have ulterior motive, after finding out that these judges were bribed by the right. Those judges were removed. The new judges seem to be doing the correct thing by prosecuting Bolsonaro.
That being said, the US could still learn from Brazil. The US Supreme Court judges–especially Clarence Tomas-- were revealed to be corrupt, but what happened? Nothing. If those judges are in Brazil, they would have immediately been removed. In this regard, Brazil is still doing better than US in combatting authoritarianism.
Yeah, but Americans have made it abundantly clear that we don’t have what it takes to uphold our own Constitution.
Which means it’s a completely useless piece of paper and we’re going to collapse into authoritarianism.
That’s the spirit
You know you’re fucked when Brazil is dunking on you
This kind of rhetoric is exactly why countries get this inflated view of themselves and get surprised when they elect somebody like Trump.
Your comment implies Brazil is somehow a bad country so “if even Brazil is dunking on you, you know you’re bad!” but Brazil is the world’s 8th economy, they have a robust electronic voting system that was audited many times and works fantastically well, they have a digital payments system that works instantly and isn’t tied to any corporation, they have the largest biomass and clean water reserves in the world, public healthcare, public universities that actually publish the most research in the entire country (out-competing all private institutions by a huge margin) and many more examples.
They’re not perfect… but not even Switzerland is perfect. When you feed this world view of “even Brazil” you become deeply blind to your own monumental issues.
Didn’t expect the switzerland mention, but can 100% agree that we aren’t perfect over here.
Your exploding roads are pretty metal, though.
Our metal roads (… rail…) are pretty sick as well ;)
That’s because it is full of shrapnels.
Oh there’s a compliment built in, don’t worry. Switzerland is such a fantastic place I used it as an example of “country many people would argue is amongst the best, without much discussion”. Certainly not perfect, because nothing ever is, but a great place too.
Found the Brazilian
Found the douche canoe.
Now find Epstein’s list :)
lula makes me proud on the uncommon occasion he says and does based things like this.
Lula is completely right. Also, most Braziliand remember too well eat it is to live under a dictatorship and have no intentions of going back to one.
i know a lot of bolsonarists who would unironically love to go back to a dictatorship
I know. There are some who also think the times of the dictatorship were the golden age as well. Bad apples in every cart.
Old Testament Lula speaks to him like the Green Goblin mask
Said not in an informational way, but as a “mind your own business, get a grip and fix your own problems before you go around pointing fingers”
Imo it doesn’t matter in what way he said it, it’s a baller move either way. No other country leader has mentioned this when having to deal with the annoying orange even though they should have. Even when the NATO summit was going on everyone was just brown nosing the whole damn time, ridiculous.
I think at least in part other countries can pretend it never happen because they didn’t have to deal with their own wanna be facist at home with ties to Trump. Brazil does not have the luxury to do so when not only Bolsonaro happened but it is still being a problem and Trump is actively trying to influence it in Brazil.
A lot of very fine people 🫲🍊🫱
But if he were on trial in Brazil, who would be threatening Brazil with a trade war for said trial?
Gaetz?
Yeah right, Bolsonaro did way worse and he is free
Well, one is ineligible, with an ankle monitor. The other is president. I feel like Brazil is doing this way better.
Isn’t he going on trial soon? They just threw an ankle monitor on him a few days ago. So hopefully justice of some kind will prevail.
Well, Bolsonaro is ineligible so thats that. At least we made sure he won’t be elected again after doing that. (Cough cough)
they are taking their sweet goddamn time with it, but it is actually looking like hes gonna go to prision soon.
After everything the Republican political machine has done, Trump being in an ankle monitor like Bolsonaro would be a great start.
Oh yeah? What did Bolsonaro do that was worse than Trump?
(That wasn’t a loaded question – I sincirely want to know.)
That one failed, so the january 8 attack happened. Luckily for Brazil, it also failed.
Oh, and before the attack happened, there was one attempt to explode a fuel truck near the Brasilia airport, plus one small bomb attack on the Federal Police HQ. So, yeah, funny bunch.
jan 6, but much dumber and crasser
Bolsonaro was president during covid and took many actions to avoid social distancing, vaccines development and masks usage. Even after it was clear that it was a global deadly pandemic, he tried to say it was nothing serious and that people shouldn’t worry about it. He lost 3 (iirc) health ministers during the process. Trump denied at first, but changed his line of action and for sure killed much less people than Bolsonaro
George Conway’s wife is partially responsible for getting Trump elected the first time. I appreciate what Lula said but not who posted it.
ex wife, and her support for fuckhead was a big part of the reason.
Told people to go home?
Only after their tratoruous coup attempt failed
Go Home.
Fucking stop with the bullshit messaging that doing a Jan 6 is bad.
Doing a Jan 6 for the reasons it was done is bad, and if you want your country back, you’re going to have to do much more than a Jan 6.
Not a Jan 6, more like a Revolution of Dignity.
Jan 6 was against the constitution. The current regime is anti-constitution. The Jan 6 people and the current administration are committing treason. Section 3 of the 14th amendment means the current adminitration is illegitimate. In contrast, getting rid of the current administration would actully be patriotic since we would be restoring the constitutional order. And therefore, this should not be categorized as a “Jan 6”.
This is my point.
Everyone I see on Lemmy/Bluesky, etc. only seems to be able to express outrage at the action itself, not its intended outcome.
i get what you are saying, but we all really want the jan 6 type people persecuted.
we both know a “jan 6 for the right reasons” would be punished much more swiftly than this anyway.
“We can’t fight back because then the Nazis will take the opportunity to punish us harder” has got to be in my top 5 cowardly thought-stopping bullshit comments.
You might also have gone with:
“It’s not as EASY as you seem to think”
“Yeah, well what have YOU done??”
“Did you not see the VERY effective and not-at-all-a-huge-joke No Kings protests a month ago?”
“Keyboard warrior!”
thats really not what i said or meant. at all.
why are people so keen on misrepresenting what i’m saying on here lately?
I think people are tired of hearing comments from Americans that appear to make excuses for inaction.
i’m not usian, and i don’t get how wanting to punish jan6 adjacent people is passing as an excuse for inaction.
but i kinda want to know why people are arguing with stuff i didnt say today.
but i kinda want to know why people are arguing with stuff i didnt say today.
Anglocentrism. Everyone thinks you’re talking in the context of the US, a politically ridiculous place.
Jan 6 is characterized as a bunch of dumbfucks attempting to violently stop the peaceful transition of power after a legitimate election because they listened to the lies of a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist.
So yes, a Jan 6 is bad.
Is overturning an actually corrupt/authoritarian government a bad thing? Hell no. But that’s not what Jan 6 was.
Idk why you’re getting downvoted. This is unironnically Lemmy’s take. Violence is okay as long as it’s Your Team© and not Enemy Team®.
Our Leopards are Different
Your comment probably sounds really bright to moral relativists.
…being correct is not much fun… …it brings no joy to any one… …they never listen til’ it’s too late… …
comity, you say to me that’s how we got here
