The battery connector is amazing, not a ribbon cable in sight!
Got a Framework 12 and have all sorts of tiny annoying but somewhat manageable problems with it.
It used to overheat and then throttle to 400 Mhz every few seconds on high load. Overheating meaning 100°C. After a long time being annoyed and thinking “did I do something wrong” I reached out to support, and eventually got a new motherboard. It’s better since then, but it still gets hot quickly. Also, if I just idle, like maybe a few Browser tabs and that’s it, it will get somewhat warm ~65°C and I just don’t get it.
For some reason, it sometimes does not find my hard drive on boot. Works the second or third attempt, and is no software problem.
The light detection thing has to be disabled in software to be able to use the brightness buttons.
At the start, my wifi sucked really bad, just on this device.
Having some more ports than just the audio jack and the extension cards would be neat too.
Also, it was really expensive.
So yeah, I sadly wouldn’t buy it again, I think. The concept is really neat, but I’ve had too many annoying little problems. I still do use it as my main computer, and it works reasonably well, is light and well transportable, works with my docking station easily, etc, but those issues are annoying.
I had a gaming laptop whose CPU jumped to 92C immediately on load, the vendor replaced the heatsink + copper wires to solve the problem, the cooling system might be problematic instead of the CPU / mobo
When AMD???
I had to double-take because I thought this was their 12th model. But no, they just suck at product versioning, like every other tech company.
The number only indicate the screen size. The other two laptop models are the Framework 13 and 16. The only thing that made it confusing for you was your assumptions, since it all seems pretty straightforward to me.
Yes i realised that after researching their product line. And there are currently 5 different 13’s, and seemingly no easy way to differentiate revisions without listing the complete specs.
I just wish companies would make it easier to tell which of their products is newer/older.
Eg: 13" 2021, 16" 2022, etc…Revisions don’t really make sense for Framework in the same way as most other tech companies though, simply because of how upgradable and swappable the laptops are. My 13 probably has parts from two or three different “versions” at this point, and works like Lucky Charms.
I guess it doesn’t really work in their case because they only update certain parts each time, while all other parts stay the same revision, so you do need to refer to the specs to know which model you’re referring to.
This naming scheme breaks down the moment they release another line of 12", 13", or 16" laptops. It’s a bad naming scheme.
The whole point of making a easy to repair and upgrade laptop is that people wouldn’t have to buy the latest model to get upgrades, they can just buy the parts they want to upgrade and swap them in their existing laptop and if the come up with a upgraded Framework 12, they can just add the year it comes out to the title
They wouldn’t because they don’t have the manufacturing capacity to dilute their product line like that. The whole concept of the Frameworks laptop is to keep as many parts as possible between generation so its always upgradeable between generation. We’ll see how well they can stay on this course.
I’m confused, do you have an example of a laptop that uses numbers for their model number iteration rather than their screen size or feature set?
No. Which is why I said they suck at versioning, like every other tech company.
I have been wanting one since these were released. My old Asus laptop from 2016 is still kicking, so I guess I’ll wait till it craps the bed.
Same with my 2017 Thinkpad.
If they release one with a TrackPoint and mouse buttons, I’ll upgrade early.
Same; I simply can’t use a laptop without mouse buttons.
I have a Macbook Pro at work, and I honestly hate it, largely for this reason. Mouse button rock, and TrackPoint is good enough that I largely don’t use the trackpad. My workflow is very keyboard-centric, so it’s a really good fit.
Give me the same workflow and I’ll become a Framework customer. Otherwise, I’ll probably still get one, but only once my laptop is no longer functional.
I e got an i3 one of these on order and should turn up next month. I need to buy RAM and an SSD, but I think it’ll end up around £750 all in. Will replace my 11yo MacBook Air 11 inch. Mac OS just went in the wrong direction under Cook.
Makes me sad that I know exactly what you mean, this new glass shit has me nervously eying the Linux door.
Linux Desktop has only got better in recent years. I made the switch to Ubuntu ~5 years back and have the opposite problem now - switching back to Windows/macOS can be a buggy pain.
Proprietary apps are still a pain for switching, but helped that most of the main ones (office) have capable web variants.
Why’s that? Never used apple devices myself, but I’m under the assumption that redesign is generally favored
So at one point Macs were the developer laptop. They gave a nice desktop experience but with UNIX underneath that was very close to the Linux servers you’d deploy on to.
The direction of travel has been to bring the UI closer and closer to touch devices, often at the detriment to the developer experience (IMO). Snow Leopard / Lion was Mac OS at it’s best. Once we left the cats behind it started going wrong.
Intel has become Arm - moving things further from those deployment servers. I’ve come to the realisation that I actually need x86 Linux adjacency more than anything else and nothing does that better than x86 Linux.
Can you give some examples on how they’re making it worse for developers? I’ve never used Mac OS before, so I got no clue what’s different about it.
I just want an electric car that can do exactly this.
Modular components on an option of 3 frames. Reparable to a degree. Bare bones functionality. Physical buttons, no screens. Open source software. Upgrade not the whole car, but components as you go. Literally what video games taught us.
If I had Mark Cuban money, it’s the first thing I would do.
The Slate truck looks interesting and is exactly what you describe. Time will tell if it pans out.
It’s not quite what I’m saying, but it’s a starting point. It also isn’t really a thing yet. They’re expected to be available in 2027, so with EV incentives being eliminated, the now $27,500 basic model is already 30%+ more expensive before even appearing IRL.
I have a bike I put together with this mindset and it’s pretty awesome. If any component dies I can replace it individually, even if it’s not made by the same company. No reason an electric car couldn’t have the same benefits except that the average consumer doesn’t care about planning ahead
Do you have any resources or documentation of your build? It sounds like a cool project.
I think that has more to do with safety laws and emission standards than anything else. How can you properly crash test a fully modular car?
I’d love it if cars were more repairable, but modular would be a really tough design problem.
Heck, you NEED a screen in the US on any car due to backup cameras being mandatory. If you need a screen, I can see why companies would just use it for the infotainment system.
Yes and no. There’s a YT video of some guy fixing anything on any car. The catch is that for components for easy things are getting harder and harder to reach. I always used to change my oil myself because it takes 20 minutes and I know the filter got replaced. Harder and harder to do every car I have. So even basic maintenance I can’t do myself anymore.
Modular components could be workable in terms of you pick frame 1, 2, or 3 with batteries. Then you pick wheels/motors packs A, B, or C. Then you pick more and more options. If you own the A and C options, it’s a 45 minute swap out with a system that confirms things are plugged in right. Not every configuration would work together. Toyota uses a lot of interchangeable parts between cars. I mean do this with a whole back end or front end. So like 5 swappable zones that work in maybe 15 possible configurations per frame.
Maybe you want a battle wagon. And want to grow out of that to a pickup. Or start with compact car and expand to a compact SUV.
Sounds a bit like the Slate truck to me.
Imagine Slate without Bezos
Would be so exciting
I have. Then I realize Slate doesn’t get a chance to change vehicular design without him.
Intriguing, care to say more?
With out Bezo’s name recognition very, very few would have heard about Slate and their little pickup/SUV. That’s a level of advertisement that money simply can’t buy as a startup. We certainly wouldn’t be talking about them without Bezos’ name being attached to them. And they certainly wouldn’t have access to the investors and financial doors his name can easily open.
I would guess he’s thinking money. Design, production line, and legal are all going to be extremely expensive. Bezos is a name and face but if you replace his name with JP Morgan Chase, BNY Mellon , Blackrock, etc is there really that big of a difference. The large financial institutions have done far more for far longer to people all around the world
I know!!
I really wish it wouldn’t benefit Lex Luthor. If it makes waves, hopefully other similar types of cars will come along by the time my civic needs to be replaced.
Hey there we go, now I can be excited about their future… Nice
Yeah, has that gotten off the ground yet? Or is it still just investor stage pipe dream?
I thought it was further along that a pipe dream with the demos and videos I’ve seen. I think I’m cautiously optimistic until it officially comes out and I see reviews.
It has the modularity I like at a reasonable price… We’ll have to see if it can deliver.
I think EV battery cells should be standardized and modular to reduce difficulty of replacement and make replacements cheaper and more available so that it could extend the useful lifespan of the car. If you could replace your battery with an off the shelf equivalent used EVs would hold a lot more value.
That’s batteries of the past. The rate of change in batteries has been so dramatic it has left people’s understanding behind.
Batteries will far outlive when a ICE car would have been scrapped.
I see 80s 90s era cars and trucks running around my town all day every day.
Try again.
Averages are much better than edge cases in this sort of comparison.
20 years vs 14
https://insideevs.com/news/763231/ev-battery-degradation-life-gas-car-comparison-age/
“There are three types of lies. Lies, damned lies, and statistics.” - Mark Twain.
You’re right, nothing compares to one man’s anecdotal evidence.
My right? Indeed.
Cells pretty much are one of 3 or 4 standard sizes. Getting down to the cell level is pretty tough on a lot of cars though.
I think the issue there is the tech in EV batteries is constantly changing due to miniaturization, battery chemistry advancements, etc. There has to be some point where the cells are “good enough” to become a standard though. I just don’t think we’re there quite yet.
true but we figured out things before like this when computer tech was rapidly changing so I do think it’s possible while definitely having its challenges.
we need an alternative to needing a manufacturer specific part that costs nearly $15,000 and weighing in a ton and requiring a crane to replace.
This is a fantastic idea. If anyone ever does this then you should ask them for a cut of the profits 😏
The heatsink comes away just as smoothly if you’re looking to reapply thermal paste down the road.
Not that you ever should, since it has PTM7958 which should never need to be replaced, and gets better with age.
Thanks for the thermal pad tip fuckwit_mcbumcrumble !
Now that’s a username I can trust.
Hey, my client doesn’t show that your comment contains anything, I think you’re missing the exclamation mark before the link.
What in the godforsaken markdown parsing is this
Fellow Thunder user?
No, I use Eternity.
Oh I still have to watch that, referenced in freaks and geeks I believe
It’s wildly offensive and arguably shouldn’t have been made. But occasionally, there’s something funny in it.
I got a Framework 16 a few months ago and I’ve been loving it. Super happy these guys managed to make this concept of a repairable laptop work. Though, one thing I wish is for them to make a storage case for the expansion cards. I’ve built up a little collection of them and obviously filled up all 6 slots pretty quickly. I’d like a better place to put the unused cards than in a random drawer.
Want me to 3d print one for you?
I found a few pre-made designs:
https://makerworld.com/models/973519
https://makerworld.com/models/1194123
Man, I love these interactions on Lemmy. So wholesome!
What’s the best way to order a print if you dont have a printer yourself? Is there a site you can order from?
Your regional library or local makerspace may have 3d printers you can print with.
There are services online. I don’t use any of them, so I’m not comfortable making recommendations.
That being said, printers are getting cheap and really easy to use, so it may be worth looking into buying one for 200 bucks. Even without knowing how to model, there’s a ton of free designs out there.
So… this is a 2-in-1 that is actually repairable? Am I reading this right?
Edit: Disregard. I have the 13, not the 12.
~~Normal laptop formfactor. You can have a touch screen as an option but it doesn’t do the full 360 fold round into a tablet.
I own one and the hinge goes 180.
It’s an excellent laptop, I grabbed one when the first AMD board was available and it runs Fedora flawlessly and has windows on an SSD when I need it.~~
While this is, as you pointed out, not entirely inaccurate, I appreciate the small writeup, as I would plan to run Fedora or other similar distro on it and like to know it’s flawless in this regard.
I have a Framework 14 for my school laptop and it really is a great little piece of hardware. Can’t wait to see what they come up with next.
Can’t wait to see what they come up with next.
Framework smartphone please. Though I think that is VERY unlikely.
Framework + GrapheneOS = ♥️
Dont they run x86_64?
So you coukd use qubes, if they gave a chip with the hot virtualization features?
Bout to nut
Yes please, I already use Graphene but I would be so happy if I could finally ditch google entirely.
The closest thing to that that currently exists would probably be fairphone with /e/os
No thank you
Care to elaborate?
They used to have poor band support in north America, though that seems better now on the 5. I’m still salty about the removal of the headohone jack though.
I considered it, but the specs were too low. Ended up choosing a Google Pixel instead.
specs were too low
what usage was limited by specs?
It is. On their YouTube channel there’s a very interesting Q&A on their event earlier this year, here: https://youtu.be/os_fHy1mB_M There was a question specifically about making a smartphone. They explained it was very unlikely they’d ever do that and explained their reasoning behind it, so I’d highly recommend watching the video of you’re interested in how they think.
You can’t stop me from dreaming!
I would look at Fair phone. I imported one to the US and I love it.
I bought a Fairphone 4 off Clove.co.uk and I live in Canada. After a year and a bit of enjoying that my wife agreed to replace her Pixel 4a with a Fairphone 5.
I’ve thought about it, but in really holding out for a proper Linux phone, but we’ll see.
I plan to put postmarketos on this bad boy once I know the 5g will work. Cellular reception will be crucial more than anything for Linux phones to succeed.
And a printer too.
With printers the thing that tends to go is the software. You wouldn’t think that was possible but it happens, somehow they just stop working for no reason at all.
But of course you could always just buy a brother printer and be done with it.
it would cost a fortune
Assume you mean the 13, I’ve had mine for a few months and love it too. Also really dig the refinements they’ve done with the 12 like the pogo pins and even more easily replaceable display
I got a fw16 love it.
Is the 12 on the same board as the 13 or is it its own main board?
New board size was dictated by the smaller form factor I believe. Still will be very interesting to see what options come out in time.
Yeah seems like lots of good opportunities for old boards of a smaller form factor with diy projects etc
Looks like fw12 is Intel and fw16 is AMD.
Looking at the JerryRigEverything review it’s a new main board size.
blowing my mind, i think this thing might make a good smartphone replacer
how do you use it with one hand?
imo that’s the only benefit of having a smartphone. any other computer can do internet calls too
my hands are not agile enough to accurately use a 5 or 6 inch touchscreen
when i use a phone one handed, i am struggling through about a 35% mis-input rate and then the general unresponsiveness of Android on top of that
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Hot damn that looks amazing, will get one for my kid.
I was a kid in high school just around the time that laptops were becoming available to the general public, somehow my parents actually managed to convince the school to buy me one. The one I had you could use to beat people to death, I certainly use mine as a weapon. We need to go back to that, I’m not interested in having an ultra thin laptop, I want a huge chunk of metal and plastic that I can use for self-defense.
